NO PERSON should claim the title of being a child born again with the Holy Spirit (Christian) and vote for any candidate who is not willing to stand up against the evils of the destruction of little babies still unborn. You can not be Christian and not have the same mind set as your Heavenly Father.

Stop projecting.

Why are you so infatuated with ignoring questions and pretending you don’t understand what I’m asking?

Your preceding argument is specious semantics, adding no substance to the content of this discussion. I decline to waste my time on it. Why are you so infatuated with symbols over substance?

“I presume you’re tired after your drive”.

Wanting to impose something on someone, Siarlys, and feeling that someone should do something are two totally different ideas.

I could PRESUME that people should not smoke cigarettes, but at the same time, NOT want to IMPOSE that presumption onto others by law.

It is not required in order to presume something that you would also impose it on others by law.

You have made it quite clear, by your own posts on your blog that you DO PRESUME that it is CRUEL NOT TO ABORT a baby who is disabled. Why deny it now?

The most important lesson I ever learned about any debate is that the manner in which the question is framed controls the answers, or at least the meaning and the implication of whatever answer may be given. This is also a fallacy in poll-taking. If I ask “Do you favor spending an extra $30 billion on war materiel for fighting in Afghanistan?” the answer will be very different than if I ask “Do you favor budgeting to provide body armor and newly designed armored transport vehicles to protect our troops in Afghanistan?” There are more subtle ways to illustrate the point, with even more devastating differences in outcome, but that’s one I can pull out on short notice. Otto von Bismarck, accused by an Austrian diplomat of caving in to democracy, responded “I don’t care if they vote yea or nay, as long as I decide what they are voting on.”

So, you asked “you really don’t think that this mindset is one which presumes that women should abort their disabled babies?”

I re-set the question by rejecting the term “presumes.” There is no presumption. I do not presume that a woman should, or should not, abort her disabled baby. (Note, I also substitute the singular for the plural. It is an individual decision, each time, not a collective one for any and all women every time). I believe there are rational reasons for a woman to choose abortion. What I believe is of secondary importance. What is important is that each woman have the right to make that choice for herself, not because I say so, not because you say no, but because it is her choice to make. My mindset is irrelevant — it would be presumptuous of me to impose it on anyone.

You sincerely believe it should NOT be her choice to make, because you presume no woman should ever abort her baby. You are trying to paint me into a corner where I presume that a woman should abort her baby. That corner is not where I’m standing.

I note that with regard to Down’s syndrome, what horrifies you is that 93% of pregnant women with a positive test for this condition choose to abort. Apparently, a lot of women look at this in a way similar to what I have argued here. But it is an individual decision for each one of them. I think it is a sound, rational, compassionate, decision, but I make no presumption about how any given woman should decide. Those who have NOT chosen to abort are women who sincerely believe that is is both right and fulfilling for them to carry their pregnancy to term and raise the resulting baby, with all the limitations imposed by the genetic defect and the many symptoms of this disease. Well, they are precisely the women who should do so. It is their choice.