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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I admit to a personal bias in favor of legal divorce. Several generations ago, my great-grandmother was able to divorce the husband who was beating her.

However, she was a Polish immigrant who worked in a factory, and was unable to afford an annulment, so the Church still considered her eternally married to her abuser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I admit to a personal bias in favor of legal divorce. Several generations ago, my great-grandmother was able to divorce the husband who was beating her.</p>
<p>However, she was a Polish immigrant who worked in a factory, and was unable to afford an annulment, so the Church still considered her eternally married to her abuser.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Cardinals, Cathedrals, Condoms, and Cretins (Part I) by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and my grandma used to donate to Covenant House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and my grandma used to donate to Covenant House.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Cardinals, Cathedrals, Condoms, and Cretins (Part I) by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do remember this! 

And I agree, throwing condoms in a Church is not an effective way to get any message across.

(I was at Columbia, too, in &#039;90-&#039;91 -- got my masters in journalism.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I do remember this! </p>
<p>And I agree, throwing condoms in a Church is not an effective way to get any message across.</p>
<p>(I was at Columbia, too, in &#8217;90-&#8217;91 &#8212; got my masters in journalism.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by L.</title>
		<link>http://gerardnadal.com/2010/07/26/more-persecution-of-christians-at-the-universities/#comment-5307</link>
		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned gay Christians because you said &quot;they themselves are intolerant of Christians, often reacting violently and using draconian measures against Christians.&quot; Some do, yes, and I don&#039;t condone it. But most don&#039;t, and some are even Christians themselves. 

You know, I understand why Catholics and some Chrisitians don&#039;t believe in placing children with gay couples, or couples who aren&#039;t married. I understand why adoption agencies who focus on a specific enthnicities or cultures don&#039;t believe in placing children of their group outside their group. I don&#039;t agree with it (I think all adoption placements should be case by case, with no stable families ruled out), but I do understand where this thinking is coming from.

What about lesbians who have children? Do you believe the state has a compelling right to remove them from their mothers&#039; care? How about children born to single mothers, or to parents in adulterous relationships? Do you think the state should take children away from all mothers who have had abortions, because killing unborn kids make them likely to kill born kids, too? How about parents who admit killing kids with their abortifacient contraception?

And how about children born to parents in unions such as mine?

My lifestyle is certainly &quot;radically different from any tpe of Christian lifestyle&quot; because my partner isn&#039;t a Christian.  He rejects Christianity in most forms -- it makes him deeply uncomfortable, alas, because of some unfortunate encounters with zealots in the past.

But except for the lack of Christ in our shared life, you&#039;d have trouble telling us apart from any Christian couple. (And actually, we are legally married, just for the purpose of committing immigration fraud. Heh. :) )

We even got married in a Catholic church, by a priest, although it couldn&#039;t be consecrated because 1) I am not in full communion with the Church, and 2) my husband was dead-set against raising his kids Catholic, though he later decided he didn&#039;t really care, one way or the other.

If my situation is the &quot;root of the problem of marriage today,&quot; I honestly don&#039;t think society has anything to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned gay Christians because you said &#8220;they themselves are intolerant of Christians, often reacting violently and using draconian measures against Christians.&#8221; Some do, yes, and I don&#8217;t condone it. But most don&#8217;t, and some are even Christians themselves. </p>
<p>You know, I understand why Catholics and some Chrisitians don&#8217;t believe in placing children with gay couples, or couples who aren&#8217;t married. I understand why adoption agencies who focus on a specific enthnicities or cultures don&#8217;t believe in placing children of their group outside their group. I don&#8217;t agree with it (I think all adoption placements should be case by case, with no stable families ruled out), but I do understand where this thinking is coming from.</p>
<p>What about lesbians who have children? Do you believe the state has a compelling right to remove them from their mothers&#8217; care? How about children born to single mothers, or to parents in adulterous relationships? Do you think the state should take children away from all mothers who have had abortions, because killing unborn kids make them likely to kill born kids, too? How about parents who admit killing kids with their abortifacient contraception?</p>
<p>And how about children born to parents in unions such as mine?</p>
<p>My lifestyle is certainly &#8220;radically different from any tpe of Christian lifestyle&#8221; because my partner isn&#8217;t a Christian.  He rejects Christianity in most forms &#8212; it makes him deeply uncomfortable, alas, because of some unfortunate encounters with zealots in the past.</p>
<p>But except for the lack of Christ in our shared life, you&#8217;d have trouble telling us apart from any Christian couple. (And actually, we are legally married, just for the purpose of committing immigration fraud. Heh. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>We even got married in a Catholic church, by a priest, although it couldn&#8217;t be consecrated because 1) I am not in full communion with the Church, and 2) my husband was dead-set against raising his kids Catholic, though he later decided he didn&#8217;t really care, one way or the other.</p>
<p>If my situation is the &#8220;root of the problem of marriage today,&#8221; I honestly don&#8217;t think society has anything to worry about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, I have many deeply religious friends who oppose homosexuality — and even consider it a mortal sin to live in an unconsecrated unions such as mine and my partner’s.&quot;

ditto.
It is this exact situation that has led to the demise of marriage and the rise and acceptance of homosexual &quot;marriage&quot; and cohabitation (a polite modern term for living in sin).


Really your situation is the root of the problem of marriage today.
The minute divorce was legalized, this was the beginning of the end for marriage. Once the marriage vow could be broken, then marriage was open to anything.
If marriage could be serial, maybe it could be other things too.
Once there was nothing shameful about living together - which is really sexual promiscuity outside of marriage, and this was accepted, gradually  a tolerance for other behaviors was formed.

On top of this is the contraceptive mentality.

Your lifestyle is radically different from any type of Christian lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, I have many deeply religious friends who oppose homosexuality — and even consider it a mortal sin to live in an unconsecrated unions such as mine and my partner’s.&#8221;</p>
<p>ditto.<br />
It is this exact situation that has led to the demise of marriage and the rise and acceptance of homosexual &#8220;marriage&#8221; and cohabitation (a polite modern term for living in sin).</p>
<p>Really your situation is the root of the problem of marriage today.<br />
The minute divorce was legalized, this was the beginning of the end for marriage. Once the marriage vow could be broken, then marriage was open to anything.<br />
If marriage could be serial, maybe it could be other things too.<br />
Once there was nothing shameful about living together &#8211; which is really sexual promiscuity outside of marriage, and this was accepted, gradually  a tolerance for other behaviors was formed.</p>
<p>On top of this is the contraceptive mentality.</p>
<p>Your lifestyle is radically different from any type of Christian lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about gay Christians L? What&#039;s your point?

They should be treated with respect and love. But they cannot &quot;marry&quot; and they should never be allowed to adopt. 

They should definitely be helped to live their lives in a compassionate manner. It is not a sin to have homosexual feelings. It is sinful to act on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about gay Christians L? What&#8217;s your point?</p>
<p>They should be treated with respect and love. But they cannot &#8220;marry&#8221; and they should never be allowed to adopt. </p>
<p>They should definitely be helped to live their lives in a compassionate manner. It is not a sin to have homosexual feelings. It is sinful to act on them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears the University has backed down somewhat:

In a letter to ADF, the Universitystates that Dr. Howell will be asked to teach Introduction to Catholicism this fall.  This is a tremendous win for Dr. Howell’s academic freedom and First Amendment rights.  However, ADF will continue to monitor the situation. 


http://blog.speakupmovement.org/university/freedom-of-speech/university-of-illinois-reinstates-dr-kenneth-howell/


but I wonder just how long it will be before institutions really don&#039;t care anymore and will do what they want.....???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears the University has backed down somewhat:</p>
<p>In a letter to ADF, the Universitystates that Dr. Howell will be asked to teach Introduction to Catholicism this fall.  This is a tremendous win for Dr. Howell’s academic freedom and First Amendment rights.  However, ADF will continue to monitor the situation. </p>
<p><a href="http://blog.speakupmovement.org/university/freedom-of-speech/university-of-illinois-reinstates-dr-kenneth-howell/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.speakupmovement.org/university/freedom-of-speech/university-of-illinois-reinstates-dr-kenneth-howell/</a></p>
<p>but I wonder just how long it will be before institutions really don&#8217;t care anymore and will do what they want&#8230;..???</p>
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		<title>Comment on University Persecution of Christians: Game On by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s nice you can be sarcastic about things that make you sad.  :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Catherine, what about gay Christians? I know many gay Catholic families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Catherine, what about gay Christians? I know many gay Catholic families.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite familiar with S&amp;M and bondage -- but I confess I don&#039;t know what counts as an &quot;outfit&quot; of such, unless they are actually holding a whip. I have a studded leather belt myself, and I wear it everywhere -- even to mass, come to think of it. 

In fact, I think that my years in San Francisco opened my eyes further to what the &quot;homoesxual lifestyle&quot; entails. 

As I said, I am not advocating promiscuity for anyone (gay or straight -- though I don&#039;t believe in criminalizing it, either), but &quot;the gay agenda&quot; that I support is about equal protection under the law.

Yes, I personally believe that anyone who discriminates against gays is intolerant. However, I have many deeply religious friends who oppose homosexuality -- and even consider it a mortal sin to live in an unconsecrated unions such as mine and my partner&#039;s. I understand where their convictions come from, and I don&#039;t condemn them, even though I disagree with them.

You say you believe universities are &quot;filled with bigoted stupid people who are convinced they have a corner on the truth.&quot; I wouldn&#039;t call you stupid, but do you not yourself agree that you are convinced you have a corner on the truth?

And I would call descecrating a church &quot;stupid and bigoted.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite familiar with S&amp;M and bondage &#8212; but I confess I don&#8217;t know what counts as an &#8220;outfit&#8221; of such, unless they are actually holding a whip. I have a studded leather belt myself, and I wear it everywhere &#8212; even to mass, come to think of it. </p>
<p>In fact, I think that my years in San Francisco opened my eyes further to what the &#8220;homoesxual lifestyle&#8221; entails. </p>
<p>As I said, I am not advocating promiscuity for anyone (gay or straight &#8212; though I don&#8217;t believe in criminalizing it, either), but &#8220;the gay agenda&#8221; that I support is about equal protection under the law.</p>
<p>Yes, I personally believe that anyone who discriminates against gays is intolerant. However, I have many deeply religious friends who oppose homosexuality &#8212; and even consider it a mortal sin to live in an unconsecrated unions such as mine and my partner&#8217;s. I understand where their convictions come from, and I don&#8217;t condemn them, even though I disagree with them.</p>
<p>You say you believe universities are &#8220;filled with bigoted stupid people who are convinced they have a corner on the truth.&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t call you stupid, but do you not yourself agree that you are convinced you have a corner on the truth?</p>
<p>And I would call descecrating a church &#8220;stupid and bigoted.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on University Persecution of Christians: Game On by Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sweet you can be flippant about things that make life so beautiful.  :(</description>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and angry? Yes L I&#039;m angry because gay activitists are destroying democracy and setting up soft totalitarianism.

And they themselves are intolerant of Christians, often reacting violently and using draconian measures against Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and angry? Yes L I&#8217;m angry because gay activitists are destroying democracy and setting up soft totalitarianism.</p>
<p>And they themselves are intolerant of Christians, often reacting violently and using draconian measures against Christians.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gays desecrating a church? Sorry, that doesn’t ring a bell. It doesn’t sound very nice, though.&quot;

Try St. Pat&#039;s in New York. :(  
(not the only example but the one I can think of quickly) 


You don&#039;t know what bondage and S&amp;M is?

Ok. Please. :(

You seem very out of touch with what is happening in society based on &quot;rights&quot; .
And you do seem to know little about what the homosexual lifestyle entails L. I suggest you do a little research. Maybe go to a Pride library. Since this is a family blog I can&#039;t go into anymore detail than that. 


All you seem to believe is that anyone who doesn&#039;t support gay rights is intolerant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gays desecrating a church? Sorry, that doesn’t ring a bell. It doesn’t sound very nice, though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Try St. Pat&#8217;s in New York. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(not the only example but the one I can think of quickly) </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know what bondage and S&amp;M is?</p>
<p>Ok. Please. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You seem very out of touch with what is happening in society based on &#8220;rights&#8221; .<br />
And you do seem to know little about what the homosexual lifestyle entails L. I suggest you do a little research. Maybe go to a Pride library. Since this is a family blog I can&#8217;t go into anymore detail than that. </p>
<p>All you seem to believe is that anyone who doesn&#8217;t support gay rights is intolerant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Persecution of Christians at the Universities by Gerard M. Nadal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard M. Nadal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies,

I offer this blog as a resource not only for adults, but for teens as well. Please bear in mind that we can discuss these topics without a descriptive recitation of particular behaviors. I have therefore undertaken some redacting so as to keep the rating PG-13.

Also, I implore all to refrain from name-calling, or even behaviors that may resemble the same.

L.,   Yes, gays desecrated St. Patrick&#039;s Cathedral. I wrote a Four part series on it that may be found in the &quot;condoms&quot; section in the Categories Panel:

http://gerardnadal.com/2009/12/23/of-cardinals-cathedrals-condoms-and-cretins-part-i/



Sincerely,

Cotton Mather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies,</p>
<p>I offer this blog as a resource not only for adults, but for teens as well. Please bear in mind that we can discuss these topics without a descriptive recitation of particular behaviors. I have therefore undertaken some redacting so as to keep the rating PG-13.</p>
<p>Also, I implore all to refrain from name-calling, or even behaviors that may resemble the same.</p>
<p>L.,   Yes, gays desecrated St. Patrick&#8217;s Cathedral. I wrote a Four part series on it that may be found in the &#8220;condoms&#8221; section in the Categories Panel:</p>
<p><a href="http://gerardnadal.com/2009/12/23/of-cardinals-cathedrals-condoms-and-cretins-part-i/" rel="nofollow">http://gerardnadal.com/2009/12/23/of-cardinals-cathedrals-condoms-and-cretins-part-i/</a></p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Cotton Mather</p>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I can&#039;t claim to have discussed intimate relations with &quot;most people in our society today,&quot; so I can only speak for myself. 

I&#039;ll just say that at my age, sex is pretty irrelevant to the deeper spiritual part -- and soon the whole contraception issue will be moot for us, anyway.  

Is being gay a form of contraception...? Hmmmmm.

The most effective form is the barrier method: Sleep with your baby in your bed. This works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t claim to have discussed intimate relations with &#8220;most people in our society today,&#8221; so I can only speak for myself. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just say that at my age, sex is pretty irrelevant to the deeper spiritual part &#8212; and soon the whole contraception issue will be moot for us, anyway.  </p>
<p>Is being gay a form of contraception&#8230;? Hmmmmm.</p>
<p>The most effective form is the barrier method: Sleep with your baby in your bed. This works!</p>
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