There are some who are trying to tie the senseless shooting of Congresswoman Giffords to Sarah Palin and the Pro-life movement. The local Sheriff suggests the bitter acrimony in US politics, and others claim such acrimony to be the staple of the right. So calling attention to the slaughter of over 53 million Americans is to be considered hate speech, and linked to a senseless crime, when the gunman never wrote or mentioned anything of pro-lifers.
Ignoring the fact that there were more political assassinations in this nation in the 1960’s (2 Kennedys, King, Malcolm X, Evers, etc..), lets take a trip back to the halcion days of George Bush’s presidency. It was a time of respectful discourse from the exemplary Left.
From a poster over at The Deacon’s Bench:
Why don’t people who are so intent on blaming things politicians have said for this tragedy ever mention rhetoric from Democrats and liberals including:
President Obama:
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”
And
“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
Or John Kerry who said on the Bill Maher show: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.”
Or Howard Dean “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for…”
and: “This is a struggle between good and evil and we’re the good?”
and “we need to remember that the enemy here is George Bush, not each other.”
Or Senator Chuck Schumer who called a flight attendant a “bitch.”
Or the Florida Democrats who ran an ad calling for the assassination of Donald Rumsfeld
Or New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi who called for Senator Schumer to “put a bullet between the president’s eyes?”
Or Jonathan Chait who said “I hate President George W. Bush.”
Or singer Rickie Lee Jones who said of President Bush “You’re an ignorant, low-class, opportunistic man, both personally and politically, who does everything for political gain and nothing for the wellbeing of the people, and you should not be in office, and the kind of fascism you’re perpetrating on our country we don’t want, and you’re out. We’re done with you. Ffffhgggmm.”
And when asked if she would be willing to take Bush out for the benefit of democracy? “If I say that, I might get arrested when I go back. And I have to go home.” She’s thinking it out carefully. “I guess the question is, would I kill anyone? And the answer is, no. But would I feel sorry if someone killed him? No, I wouldn’t. It would depend on who killed him, I guess.”
Or “The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn” where they superimposed the words “Snipers Wanted” over an image of Bush delivering his acceptance speech at the Republican convention.
Or Nobel Peace Prize winner Betty Williams who said she could kill President Bush?
Or Randi Rhodes who joked about killing the President?
Or Reverend Wright who called Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Condoskeeza [sic] Rice.
Or England’s Charlie Brooker who wrote: “On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod’s law dictates he’ll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr – where are you now that we need you?”
A Google Image sampler:
The extent to which those on the Left made these images, and thousands like them was both unprecedented and chilling. We need no lectures from these folks, who are now simply fabricating a story. People who live in glass houses…
I tend to agree with the folks who are speaking out against the rhetoric/symbols with violent implications on both sides — including, but certainly not limited to, Palin’s cross-hairs graphic, and the “Kill Bush” posters.
The problem is that it is only the left leaning people whose comments get the play in the liberal media and it’s always against the Republicans/prolifers/Catholics/Christians etc etc etc
Republicans/prolifers/Catholics/Christians etc. etc. are always intolerant, ignorant, stupid, and always always the cause of wars/genocide/murders/assassinations/global poverty/overpopulation/the recession/bank failures/global warming…..
Mary Catherine — watch Fox much?
Great post. Thanks.
not at all L. I don’t own a TV nor do I have the time. But you might try reading more about what your brothers and sisters on the left really believe.
Have a nice day.
Believe it or not, Mary Catherine, you can find some of my stories on the Fox Business website. So please be careful who you call a “liberral” — I’m more of a libertarian, or a straight-up libertine. 🙂
And believe me, I know all about what my “brothers and sisters on the left” really believe. How else could I teach it to my children?
Just out of curiosity, what are your main media sources? Were do you keep up with news?
L I can’t divulge my sources exactly, but I can say that they are news radio, major online newspapers as well as magazines, blogs and newspapers and magazines in print format.
I was just asking because you seem to be an expert on the liberal media! 😉
Seriously, there are horrible examples to be found on BOTH sides of the spectrum — alas, no side has a monopoly on tasteless and/or dishonest reporting.
“The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between.”
Mother Teresa
L: here are some examples:
(and BTW it’s NOT hard to be an expert since most of the media is liberal and very anti-Catholic but I’m sure you would never notice.)
Daily Kos founder Mark Moulistas wrote :Mission accomplished Sarah Palin in reference to Palin’s putting various democrats in gun hairline.
NOW president Terry O’Neill blamed “right wing opponents” for the shootings and called for further investigations to determine if there is a conspiracy (against whom? Her?)
Twitter was aglow with liberal microbloggers questioning whether the gunman was a right wing anti-choice murderer. This included the Twitter account for Catholic Democrats.
Then there was Paul Daly of the New York Daily News.
Liberal Paul Krugman of the New York Times opined that Jared Loughner’s decision to kill Giffords was the direct result of Sarah Palin.
oh and let’s not leave out Andrew Sullivan who ranted about Republican supported violence.
and NO. There are not horrible examples on both sides.
There are horrible examples on the liberal side. Period.
Don’t have time to go through those one by one, but you say, “Liberal Paul Krugman of the New York Times opined that Jared Loughner’s decision to kill Giffords was the direct result of Sarah Palin.”
Actually, he didn’t — what he really said was this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?src=me&ref=homepage
Excerpt: “Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you’ll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won’t hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly, and you will.”
No horrible examples on the right-wing side? Huh?
Mary Catherine, have you ever listened to Beck or O’Reilly or Limbaugh?
I repeat: Neither the left nor the right has a monopoly on tasteless and/or dishonest reporting.
L you have to admit that this time even some of the liberals have said that what has happened in the press is crass and dishonors the dead.
I couldn’t agree more. But then there isn’t much honor in people who believe in some of the things these people do.
BTW my understanding is that most of what Jared L believes in fits quite nicely into the definition of left wing.
Mary Catherine, there’s nothing to admit — I have said exactly that — not his just time, but all the time, BOTH liberals AND conservatives are crass. (As for dishonoring the dead, check out the folks at the Westboro Baptist Church [shudder].)
Your understanding is that “most” of what Jared L believes in fits quite nicely into the definition of “left wing?” HAHAHA, I think you have some reading to do!
Most of what Jared L. believes fits quite nicely into the definition of “mentally ill person who thinks the government is controlling his mind.”
The only semi-conherent thought of Loughner’s I have discerned is his support of a return to the gold standard — hardly the definition of a liberal.
But come to think of it, I’m sure it’s a conspiracy that both “Loughner ” and “liberal” begin with the letter “L.”
Just like [gasp!] my own name! And LUCIFER! Oh, yeah, I see it now…..
I note again: the liberal media has been taken to task by their own for the shameful rhetoric used in this situation.
They dishonor the dead and create tension where there is none.
This was a random killing. Jared L was not a prolifer nor was he a Christian.
So Mary Catherine, you stand by your statement that “NO. There are not horrible examples on both sides. There are horrible examples on the liberal side. Period.” — ?
I wouldn’t be so quick to embrace the conservative side, if I were you. But heck, I can’t tell you what to do; if you like the conservative’s vitriol, you are welcome to it.
Hey L,
He’s one of yours.
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Troy recalls a moment when another student had just finished reading an autobiographical poem about abortion.
“So all of us were just very somber; she’s in tears,” Troy says. “And Jared starts laughing, like a lot, and we all just kind of look at him strangely and then he starts bursting out about tying a bomb to the fetus and making a baby-bomb.”
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Student Don Coorough said on another occasion he fell about the room laughing after a girl student read a very personal poem on abortion.
“He was turning all shades of red and laughing and said: ‘Wow, she’s just like a terrorist, she killed a baby’,” Mr Coorough said.
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Same sense of sarcasm pro aborts have. He thought he was being a comedian.
Oh no, I’m linking you to Loughner, via your joy of abortion. And the fact you comprehend his “return to the gold standard”.
Oh, Astran, YES, he’s one of MINE — “joy” of abortion, that same “L” initial, and don’t you know, every single person who favors legal abortion is sarcastic. It’s required in the pledge we take.
But as for the return to the gold standard, sorry — I…..refudiate that.
//Oh, Astran, YES, he’s one of MINE — “joy” of abortion, that same “L” initial, and don’t you know, every single person who favors legal abortion is sarcastic. It’s required in the pledge we take.//
Do I get the Krugman award?
Of course not every single person is for murdering their own creation, just your ally Jared Loughner.
When a person has a unplanned pregnancy which causes anxiety, a very glad feeling is attained when the unplanned event is corrected. Loughner found abortion to be a “laughing” matter. The words of Mother Teresa proved true in Tucson. There was “nothing between” those people and your joyous, laughing ally in murder.
//On Sept. 9, 2007, the day before his 19th birthday, he was arrested in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia. He was sentenced to attend classes in a diversion program that led to the charge being dismissed. Just over a year later, on Oct. 17, 2008, he was charged with a graffiti misdemeanor in Marana. A police report said he drew a stylized CX on a street sign; he said it was a symbol for Christian. That charge also was dismissed after Loughner completed a diversion program and paid restitution.//
By Jack Gillum and Peter Eisler, USA TODAY
Typical liberal reporting omitting the fact that the “street sign” was a STOP sign. STOP CX. Gee, I bet he wanted to “stop Christians” from opposing his humor about abortion. All the hate press against Christians came home to roost.
And his mug shot has him smiling away still.
Yes, Astran, I have no doubt, I am EXACTLY like Jared Loughner, in every way.
The scary part is, I am being sarcastic here, but I suspect you really believe this.
//The scary part is, I am being sarcastic here, but I suspect you really believe this.//
Hey good one.
Just like the press does to Palin and did to President Bush. The scary part is that your sarcasm exhibits similar traits of your ally in abortion, Loughner.
Actually, his family, and him exhibit similarities to hikkimori of Japan. Cut off socially, and then explode in a murderous rampage at some public area.
So Astran, let me get this straight — my sarcasm inexorably aligns me with a destructive, mentally ill person, but YOUR sarcasm is different somehow?
You can criticize my abortion views all you like, but when you say compare my sense of humor to a mass murderer and see scary similarities, I think you’re pushing it just a tad.
//I think you’re pushing it just a tad.//
Which is the point that Dr. Nadal is making.
The liberal press is pushing it a tad trying to link Palin, Limbaugh, and any conservative to Loughner who makes jokes about abortion.
As for “scary”, your the one who wrote the word into this conversation. Hey, playing the liberal game you learned from Obama’s propagandist. Those opponents, they’re spreading scary/fear stories.
Question.
Is abortion murder?
Yes or no is all that’s required.
No — it’s justifiable homicide, in my opinon.
If abortion is murder, then I am a murderer because I have used aborticiant contraception. So lock me up, put my children in foster care, I’m a murderer, so I’m obviously an unfit parent. Yes, I am being sarcastic.
And believe me, I didn’t “learn” anything from Obama’s propagandist. My opinions are my own.
What makes you think I’m a liberal, anyway? You’re dead wrong there!
//No — it’s justifiable homicide, in my opinon//
Same reasoning that Jared Loughner used.
The simple word used most of the time is “killed”. Jared knew he was going to kill before the action.
No person does a act that isn’t justified before the action. Because of his honesty of emotion expressed in a classroom where he laughed at the abortion poem of a fellow student, he couldn’t understand the reaction.
Interestingly, the Glock was in the trunk of his? car. The father saw him remove the “black bag” and chased him into the area behind their house, where he lost his trail. You can bet your last contraceptive that the pistol was there because, as all liberal parents do(don’t bring that dope into the house) he was told not to bring the Austrian made pistol into the house. Of course the father and mother had seen him remove the pistol from the strange storage locker, the trunk, many times before and didn’t chase him down. (See friend who shot with Jared many times before.) Someone was a pro abort in that house, or he was indoctrinated into the culture of death by someone(online). Could have been you, for all we know(learned that line from Paul Krugman). He told his father he was going to “kill” that day, and the argument that pursued before the killings, was the father’s last stand to reverse a lifetime of pro abort/culture of death, philosophy.
As the bible says, they have inherited the wind. The wind of abortion that leaves nothing between me killing you, and you killing me.
P.S. Sheriff Dupa obviously didn’t look for evidence too, as a person in the neighborhood found the “black bag” while walking his Hachiko. Imagine that, a law enforcement officer allowing loaded ammunition to lay about where a child could find it, and possibly be injured or killed.
You’re following this whole story waaaaay closer than I am, Astran.
I am far too busy teaching my online courses to indoctrinate people into the culture of death.
//I am far too busy teaching my online courses to indoctrinate people into the culture of death.//
You have the time to come here and preach the abortion/culture of death apologetics.
The old justified homicide apologetic doesn’t change the fact that death is the end product. Just as Jared had justified his homicide, and the product was death.
I give very little personal information,but I have given notice of being a hunter. I also practice gunsmithing/reloading with a young adult, who is a member of the USPSA. A association that basically has you moving and shooting at objects, with a pistol. Quite a challenge in that your going for accuracy and timing, and counting those rounds off as you fire them to not allow your pistol to go “dry”. The magazine reload is accomplished in 1.5 to 2 seconds. The young friend also worked at a range and had the “Jared personality” show up and fire his pistol. The things you teach a “Jared”, when you know they disrespect life is a secret known only to those who respect life, in matters of weapons.
There is a joke that goes around for thugs/Jared’s who use their pistol as “seen on Hollywood” movies, where the pistol is held with the ejection port facing the ground. The sights are on the side of the pistol and are known as “Homey Sights”. Bless Hollywood, as they encourage FTE(failure to eject) malfunctions.
You can bet that Jared wasn’t given the knowledge that leaving a magazine loaded over time can produce a FTF(failure to feed), which if reports are to believed, that not all 32 rounds were fired, he experienced a FTF, and possible three point jam.
That in the act of trying to extract the magazine and insert another extended clip, he was brought to the ground and disarmed.
That his ammunition was bought at Wal Mart( such greedy liberals in Tucson, living close to the border, selling pistol ammo is not allowed in other border states by Wal Mart), and the ammo sold at Wally World is known to jam under rapid fire conditions. It’s cheap, and for the reason that it lacks consistency in powder load, which is critical to complete cycling of the slide.
You can bet that no one told him the above info, and more, because they knew he was a liberal, who first learned to justify death via abortion, and was a danger by that principle and “right”.
Question.
What is the purpose of owning a pistol?
I think you can answer your pistol question better than I can. I have never desired to own one.
But I imagine I would be turned away if I ever tried to buy one, since I’m clearly a murderer, after all.
L,
It’s a simple question, that doesn’t ask you to own a pistol, it’s the purpose of owning a pistol for others or yourself.
Here try this,
Mommy what is the purpose of owning a pistol? And you answer.
//But I imagine I would be turned away if I ever tried to buy one, since I’m clearly a murderer, after all.//
They didn’t turn away Loughner.
Hmm, never thought of the purpose of owning something I’ve never desired to own. Despite being from the city where Colt revolvers were made, I have no interest in firearms.
The purpose varies with the intent. If one is a law officer, one possesses a gun to protect oneself and the public at large. If one is a criminal, one possesses a gun to intimidate and harm.
But you are looking for the “liberal” answer. Let’s see….my former next-door neighbor in San Francisco, a very liberal guy, owned guns because….he enjoyed shooting them.
There you go.
2 outta 3 reasons you gave for ownership end in harm or death, defensive or offensive.
As for the Frisco lib, Loughner enjoyed “plinking/shooting” tin cans. All liberals are taught through their cultural perspective, that pistols are for killing.
Hmmmm, you know, I honestly fail to see how my neighbor was doing any harm.